Comments on: Push Starts http://www.ihro.org.uk/2009/05/push-starts/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=push-starts International Historic Racing Organisation Mon, 15 Nov 2010 10:46:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ela Heckhttp://www.ihro.org.uk/2009/05/push-starts/#comment-139 Ela Heck Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:41:39 +0000 http://www.ihro.org.uk/?p=500#comment-139 Dear Graham, dear riders! as photographer or spectator i agree with Mick, the silence at the start of an IHRO race is unique and should not be lost. The discussion about reminds me of a german legend: to stab a dagger into the back of the as yet undefeated army. And yes, it was the film Continental Circus with its atmosphere that took me to watch IHRO races. And i wasn´t diappointed. So i´ll be upset if this is going to be a piece of history. Riding only occasionally a wild card perhaps i shouldn´t give a vote but rather my opinion. But as a girl i´d like to let you know, that i don´t need a clutch start and that i´m not afraid to do a push start. Honestly i was afraid the first time, but now i do love it very much! Of course anybody could say that i open my trap: a 2-stroke is easy pushable, we both are lightweight and not too old. Reading the comment of Hans Buskermolen..."tune back your engine!!" made me laugh because this is exactly what i did: a lower compression ratio than original... If more riders quit IHRO because of the push start it could die out. So i´ll vote for any solution to get lager starting grids and keep it alive. About security. Finally i think i´d would be more afraid of the first corner after a clutch start than with a push start. And i guess that slow pushed bikes (possibly on silly lines) could be seen much better than one bike, that didn´t fired up in the grid of a clutch start. P.e. in my motocycle club, sadly we had 2 accidents last year. One of us was put to death and another of us has ridden over another rider, both happened during a clutch start with 40 modern 4Cyl. bikes. Of course we all want to have the highest security level we can get. But we shouldn´t forget, if we sign in for a race we don´t sign in with guaranties, especially if it´s a road race Please be indulgent with my words as i´m not a native speaker. Kind regards, Ela Dear Graham, dear riders!
as photographer or spectator i agree with Mick, the silence at the start of an IHRO race is unique and should not be lost. The discussion about reminds me of a german legend: to stab a dagger into the back of the as yet undefeated army.
And yes, it was the film Continental Circus with its atmosphere that took me to watch IHRO races. And i wasn´t diappointed. So i´ll be upset if this is going to be a piece of history.
Riding only occasionally a wild card perhaps i shouldn´t give a vote but rather my opinion.
But as a girl i´d like to let you know, that i don´t need a clutch start and that i´m not afraid to do a push start. Honestly i was afraid the first time, but now i do love it very much! Of course anybody could say that i open my trap: a 2-stroke is easy pushable, we both are lightweight and not too old. Reading the comment of Hans Buskermolen…”tune back your engine!!” made me laugh because this is exactly what i did: a lower compression ratio than original…
If more riders quit IHRO because of the push start it could die out. So i´ll vote for any solution to get lager starting grids and keep it alive.
About security.
Finally i think i´d would be more afraid of the first corner after a clutch start than with a push start. And i guess that slow pushed bikes (possibly on silly lines) could be seen much better than one bike, that didn´t fired up in the grid of a clutch start. P.e. in my motocycle club, sadly we had 2 accidents last year. One of us was put to death and another of us has ridden over another rider, both happened during a clutch start with 40 modern 4Cyl. bikes.
Of course we all want to have the highest security level we can get. But we shouldn´t forget, if we sign in for a race we don´t sign in with guaranties, especially if it´s a road race
Please be indulgent with my words as i´m not a native speaker.
Kind regards, Ela

]]> By: Mick Moretonhttp://www.ihro.org.uk/2009/05/push-starts/#comment-138 Mick Moreton Sun, 07 Jun 2009 21:08:06 +0000 http://www.ihro.org.uk/?p=500#comment-138 Preserve us from the myth and mindset of so-called clutch start safety. Imagine the first bend, first lap at Mettet after a clutch start!Again to repeat myself, riders join IHRO knowing it is push start. If they don't like push starts, join the local non-push start races.We are supposed to be re-creating the atmosphere of the GPs of the period. I am sure some of the riders who are with us, and some who sadly are not, would laugh their socks off at the attitude of the wingeing old women who seem to want to change IHRO for the worst. They should hang their heads in shame.Push starting is IHRO.Please take a look at Jack Findlay push starting at Spa Francochamps in the film, Continental Circus. It'll make the hairs on the back ofyour neck stand up, or it should. If the non-push starters get their way, IHRO will become, to quote the late Frank Rutter, "a girl's race".Many thanks Preserve us from the myth and mindset of so-called clutch start safety. Imagine the first bend, first lap at Mettet after a clutch start!

Again to repeat myself, riders join IHRO knowing it is push start. If they don’t like push starts, join the local non-push start races.

We are supposed to be re-creating the atmosphere of the GPs of the period. I am sure some of the riders who are with us, and some who sadly are not, would laugh their socks off at the attitude of the wingeing old women who seem to want to change IHRO for the worst. They should hang their heads in shame.

Push starting is IHRO.

Please take a look at Jack Findlay push starting at Spa Francochamps in the film, Continental Circus. It’ll make the hairs on the back ofyour neck stand up, or it should. If the non-push starters get their way, IHRO will become, to quote the late Frank Rutter, “a girl’s race”.

Many thanks

]]> By: Jan Frank Bakkerhttp://www.ihro.org.uk/2009/05/push-starts/#comment-137 Jan Frank Bakker Sun, 07 Jun 2009 19:34:01 +0000 http://www.ihro.org.uk/?p=500#comment-137 Dear Graham,I'm not competing in the IHRO anymore because of the push starts. It's to dangerous and if it doesn't work out, the whole weekend is ruined. When you will use the clutch start I'd love to come back to Ihro racing. Also I vote for a clutch start!! Jan Frank Bakker Dear Graham,

I’m not competing in the IHRO anymore because of the push starts. It’s to dangerous and if it doesn’t work out, the whole weekend is ruined. When you will use the clutch start I’d love to come back to Ihro racing.
Also I vote for a clutch start!!
Jan Frank Bakker

]]> By: Douglas Snowhttp://www.ihro.org.uk/2009/05/push-starts/#comment-136 Douglas Snow Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:41:42 +0000 http://www.ihro.org.uk/?p=500#comment-136 I’ve read all the views expressed on this subject with great interest.First I would like to comment on the safety aspect that does keep being mentioned. I apologies Graham as you have mentioned that people have there own views on this but everyone who has commented so far is of the opinion that clutch starts are safer. From personal experience I can say for sure that they are no safer. Weather it is by push or clutch the start of the race will always be the most dangerous part. For those who don’t believe I will happily send you a picture of what was left of my back wheel after a “safe” clutch start.So to my preference. Being one of the few riders who is nearer 30 then 60 physically the push start is not so much of a problem for me! From as far back as I can remember watching GP racing, the start was always one of my favourite parts, the calm before the storm. When I started racing it had the same feeling for me. Last year at Chimay was the first time I had done a push start for a few years and I was amazed how electrifying I found the experience. It makes IHRO unique and I feel it would be a real shame to lose that. I understand that for many it is now a problem but I vote for push. However if the majority want clutch then so be it. I’ve read all the views expressed on this subject with great interest.

First I would like to comment on the safety aspect that does keep being mentioned. I apologies Graham as you have mentioned that people have there own views on this but everyone who has commented so far is of the opinion that clutch starts are safer. From personal experience I can say for sure that they are no safer. Weather it is by push or clutch the start of the race will always be the most dangerous part. For those who don’t believe I will happily send you a picture of what was left of my back wheel after a “safe” clutch start.

So to my preference. Being one of the few riders who is nearer 30 then 60 physically the push start is not so much of a problem for me! From as far back as I can remember watching GP racing, the start was always one of my favourite parts, the calm before the storm. When I started racing it had the same feeling for me. Last year at Chimay was the first time I had done a push start for a few years and I was amazed how electrifying I found the experience. It makes IHRO unique and I feel it would be a real shame to lose that. I understand that for many it is now a problem but I vote for push. However if the majority want clutch then so be it.

]]> By: Paul De Donckerhttp://www.ihro.org.uk/2009/05/push-starts/#comment-135 Paul De Doncker Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:34:14 +0000 http://www.ihro.org.uk/?p=500#comment-135 I prefer cluth starts for the safety. I almost hit someone who has been helping a rider that could not get his bike push started at Mettet.I think the grid is only for the riders and not for mechanics and hereby put themselfs and the riders in a dangerous position. Regards Paul I prefer cluth starts for the safety. I almost hit someone who has been helping a rider that could not get his bike push started at Mettet.I think the grid is only for the riders and not for mechanics and hereby put themselfs and the riders in a dangerous position.
Regards
Paul

]]> By: Willi Biscanihttp://www.ihro.org.uk/2009/05/push-starts/#comment-134 Willi Biscani Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:11:27 +0000 http://www.ihro.org.uk/?p=500#comment-134 I would prefer to abolish push starts and to establish regular starts with clutch instead. I personally made the unpleasant experience being bumped from behind during a push start. Therefore my vote for starts with clutch.Thank you very much for your commitment. I would prefer to abolish push starts and to establish regular starts with clutch instead. I personally made the unpleasant experience being bumped from behind during a push start. Therefore my vote for starts with clutch.

Thank you very much for your commitment.

]]> By: Alex Siertsemahttp://www.ihro.org.uk/2009/05/push-starts/#comment-133 Alex Siertsema Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:07:01 +0000 http://www.ihro.org.uk/?p=500#comment-133 I'm not amused about the push starts its to dangeres at the moment. When the push starts continue ,there are many riders even me who stop racing. so the advice no push starts. I’m not amused about the push starts its to dangeres at the moment.

When the push starts continue ,there are many riders even me who stop racing.

so the advice no push starts.

]]> By: No Schollhttp://www.ihro.org.uk/2009/05/push-starts/#comment-132 No Scholl Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:58:18 +0000 http://www.ihro.org.uk/?p=500#comment-132 GRAHAM EVEN IF IT MAKES HANS ANGRY I WOULD PREFER A CLUTCH START NO SCHOLL GRAHAM
EVEN IF IT MAKES HANS ANGRY I WOULD PREFER A
CLUTCH START
NO SCHOLL

]]> By: Thomas Wysshttp://www.ihro.org.uk/2009/05/push-starts/#comment-131 Thomas Wyss Wed, 03 Jun 2009 01:46:02 +0000 http://www.ihro.org.uk/?p=500#comment-131 Dear Graham, Pusch starts - that is a good and great show. But it is to dangerous. I wote for CLUTCH STARTS. Dear Graham,
Pusch starts – that is a good and great show. But it is to dangerous. I wote for CLUTCH STARTS.

]]> By: Alan Cathcarthttp://www.ihro.org.uk/2009/05/push-starts/#comment-130 Alan Cathcart Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:43:32 +0000 http://www.ihro.org.uk/?p=500#comment-130 Hi, Graham, For what it's worth, I think the time has come to go for clutch starts. Firstly on the grounds of safety, ever more an issue, secondly because of the fact that none of us is getting any younger, so why give the whippersnappers an added advantage beyond the fact they're braver and faster than the old guard, and thirdly because it'll make for closer racing from the off (although that arguably is a rebuttal for Reason One!) Good luck in arriving at a consensus.All the best,Alan Hi, Graham,

For what it’s worth, I think the time has come to go for clutch starts. Firstly on the grounds of safety, ever more an issue, secondly because of the fact that none of us is getting any younger, so why give the whippersnappers an added advantage beyond the fact they’re braver and faster than the old guard, and thirdly because it’ll make for closer racing from the off (although that arguably is a rebuttal for Reason One!)

Good luck in arriving at a consensus.

All the best,

Alan

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